Thursday, November 12, 2015
Counseling Using "The Iliad" And "The Odyssey?"
After listening to the Psychiatrist Counsels Vets With Odyssey Audio and Johnathan Shay Talks About The Odyssey Audio, what are you thinking about the The Odyssey?
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The books make the veterans feel like they aren't alone, and like someone else experiences what they did. It is a book that explains their experiences. I find that the book, if it is that comforting to veterans and those who have suffered mental anguish from war, that is a good thing. It makes it clear that not everyone will understand what is happening, and that that is something everyone thinks, so they think they aren't alone.
After listening to the Psychiatrist Counsels Vets With Odyssey Audio and Johnathan Shay Talks About The Odyssey Audio, I have gained respect towards the book. I was a sceptic that Odysseus was a hero, but I realized that the experiences witnessed the Veterans was related and shared by Odysseus. This means that Odysseus is indeed a hero, not only in ancient times, but even in the modern era. I understand how the Veterans would benefit knowing that even heroes betrayed their men for the greater good. So, this podcast reassures me that Odysseus is indeed a hero.
Johnathan Shay read the Odyssey and said that he took ideals from the epic. The broadcast said that the realism in the Odyssey is liked by those who have actually been in war. Johnathan said that he uses that to help veterans to recap and regain mental strength. Johnathan is well known, and helps veterans recover mentally. The Odyssey explains how veteran's lives are hard because of mental drama, and survivor's guilt. The story of Odysseus can resemble the lives of veterans. I find it fascinating of how a story that was written so long ago is still enjoyed today, and is even used to help veterans recover.
I think that this podcast can connect to the Odyssey because Shay counsels different of soldiers that return from war, There is a stark contrast to soldiers coming home from Iraq who are more welcomed than soldiers that would come home from Vietnam. People coming from war whose lives are changed once they step onto the battlefield, could suddenly revert back to their normal lives and they need to be able to adjust back to their daily lives. I think that the Odyssey is a great representation of daily life in the sense that many different ideas and events distract us from what we are trying to accomplish in life and different things can pop up and challenge us to decide which path to choose in life.
I think that the use of the use of the Odyssey is a very good thing. Reading the books and talking about it can be good for the veterans, because it gives them somebody to relate to. The books help the veterans think that somebody also experienced all of the horrible experiences that they did. Since Odysseus gets through all of the hard times, this can motivate the veterans to think positively, just like Odysseus.
I think that these audios show that the Odyssey can be related to everyone's lives because he goes through many trials, physically and mentally. In the video, they show that Odysseus believes that the civilians in his country don’t understand his pain and his needs. He also is burdened when he hears a poem about the Trojan War. When he hears the war he begins to weep. The King asks why he is weeping, but then says that the war didn’t matter anyways. This can be related to many of the lives’ of veterans because they might feel that others don't see what he is going through and think that the war they were in was unimportant.
After listening to Psychiatrist Counsels Vets With Odyssey Audio and Johnathan Shay Talks About The Odyssey Audio I have learned to look at The Odyssey differently. I know see how it can be viewed as a story that we as readers can relate to. The podcast explained how vets connected to the idea of leaders betraying those who faithfully follow them and they also connect to how the soldiers who walked with Odysseus and felt guilt and fear towards his decisions. The Odyssey holds all of the same events and feelings that the vets had worked though, it only explains these feelings in a way that is more imaginative and creative. The Odyssey books prove a story about struggles and how we deal with them, whether it is a struggle with a leader who is not faithful to his men, or the struggle of a leader who does not know how to work through his problems. These podcasts have shown me that The Odyssey books are extremely valuable, and that is a way to help citizens and vets to work through their anxiety.
In the audio, “Psychiatrist Counsels Vets With Odyssey Audio and Johnathan Shay Talks About The Odyssey Audio”, they discuss how soldiers returning from Vietnam were not welcomed as much as they are today. The psychiatrist used tales from the “Odyssey” to comfort men returning from service. He uses this because during the Vietnam War, the military didn’t believe in people supporting each other during battle. Now a days, they think that soldiers should rely on each other and trust one another. To the men that went through battle without relying on anyone and not being entirely respected, they listened to the “Odyssey” to comfort them. Odysseus weeps over his fallen men. He cares for each one of them. This brings comfort to these men and women. This doesn’t reassure me that Odysseus is a hero, but it only encourages my argument against him. Odysseus is human, therefore he feels emotions and weeps over the perished. This doesn’t argue anything more than the emotions he feels, not the actions he takes. Emotions don’t make you a hero. The things you do in your emotions make you a hero.
After listening to the audio podcasts with the veterans reading tales from the Odyssey, I realized that the stories help the veterans return to their everyday lives from the war life. The way it is explained in the two podcasts, the veterans and the characters in the story's lives aren't very different from one another. The people speaking in the podcasts really start to depict the text from Odyesseus so that they relate to the veterans lives. For example, they refer to Odysseus as a veteran when he returns from his journeies across the sea and his stories are explained to the actual veterans so they can relate to the story.
After listening to the Psychiatrist Counsels Vets With Odyssey Audio and Johnathan Shay Talks About The Odyssey Audio, I am thinking that "The Odyssey" is able to connect to the post traumatic stress of soldiers, revealing the similarities between Odysseus and them. The veterans have explained that nobody can understand what they have been through, much like thoughts of those in "The Odyssey". They can also connect to the "guilt among loss" in the war, much like what was exemplified in "The Odyssey". I am thinking that "The Odyssey" is much like the war emotionally in terms of emotion. "The Odyssey" also is similar to these videos because it shows how you must endure the pain that is felt in order to realize what is fake and what is real. These audio clips have made me feel more emotion for the characters in "The Odyssey" because of the way they revealed the emotions similar to those of vets.
After listening to these two podcasts, I do not see Odysseus as any greater of a person, but I do see him as a great comparison to veterans through the way his experiences are similar to theirs. Odysseus goes through many trials in which he must prove his faith and he fails in a lot of them. This can give courage to veterans as many of them may have been going through difficult missions and be struggling from "Mental Injury" as the podcast says, but they can continue to fight and become better just as Odysseus did. Odysseus was able to eventually able to make it back to his home and live a great rest of his life, which gives veterans confidence that they can get past their struggles and be freed from the stress they have been feeling.
After listening to the two audios of Psychiatrist Counsels Vets With Odyssey Audio, and Johnathan Shay Talks About The Odyssey Audio, the veterans heard these stories on the Odyssey's, it game then ideas about how the soldiers never gave up, till it was finally over. It made me think that the book, and or stories on Odysseus, were told in a different ways that stories would be made today. Like how they stabbed the cyclops in the eye and rather than a different way, maybe not as violent. Also throughout the stories, there was many tricks and little jokes that happened. With this all happening, the author is teaching the readers that they should never give up and eventually you will reach your goal. When you finally reach your goal, you will be rewarded, just like Odysseus was when he returned back home.
After listening to “Psychiatrist Counsels Vets with Odysseus Audio” and “Johnathan Shay Talks About the Odysseus Audio” the things I am thinking about in The Odyssey are that when Odysseus is trying to explain to the citizens of his homeland and they cannot understand or relate to this, he feels sad that he has now basically completely lost this journey because he is the only one to make it back and he has no one to conversate with that can relate to the terrible, harsh journey that he has just completed. Another thing that I am thinking about is how much this relates to the story of a veteran. I think this because this veteran could be the only one in his regiment that made it back to their home and he is sad because no one else will ever know and be able to re imagine the horrible time they put in, or realize that they gave the ultimate sacrifice to defend their country. It is sad because that veteran could be alone with his thoughts and not be able to express them with just anyone, even a family member, because they will not be able to comprehend what was really going on when he was away, fighting for his country. This person will now have to live the rest of his life with these emotions stuck inside them, and can’t speak about them. That is why I think it ties in really well with The Odyssey, because they cannot share their emotions.
During the podcast, I understood that Odysseus and his crew members were somewhat related to the people serving in the military. In the story Odyssey, Odysseus crew were all the same. They trust Odysseus and they feel the same thing at the same time. In the video Johnathan Shay heard the Vets talking, he hears the same anger from every Vet. In the Odyssey, the Odysseus crew members has the same anger as well. Also during the podcast, Shay thinks that Vets should be stuck together, not separated. If i’m right, I believe that the crew members were always by each other. All in all, the people serving in the military and Odysseus crew members are somewhat alike.
After listening to the audios, I thought that The Odyssey can relate to those who were in combat. Odysseus compares to veterans because both want to reach home but finish what they started. But, the difference is that this author portrays Odysseus as a self-absorbed man who is not at all a hero. Odysseus cared only for his well-being than for the safety of his men. Veterans who fought in war fought until they reached the end. Even though Odysseus is not considered a hero, he and the veterans both want to reach what they can call “home.”
I think it is very different on how he relates the Odyssey to war. I don't really know how the Odyssey relates to war. Many people relate a lot of things to war in many different ways. I like how this Johnathan Shay uses a book to help people. The Odyssey is a book were the main character is a hero. I think the reason Johnathan Shay uses the Odyssey for veterans because it could be very inspiring. The Odyssey could be good to show to veterans to help them heel. Also the Odyssey has the people sticking together in the ship, just like the military people should stick together. Also in the military theirs always a leader like in Odysseus is the leader. The book Odyssey teaches lots of lessons that the veteran or future military people should learn. Overall Odyssey is a great book for military people in many ways.
In the audios, the main idea was that veterans did want to go home, but they also wanted to finish what they started. They didn't ever leave a job unfinished. They related this to Odysseus and his men because Odysseus's crew would never leave a job half finished. If I recall correctly, they talk about men faithfully following their leaders, just as Odysseus's men faithfully follow him. In some ways, the novel was a way that many veterans could look towards as something to relate to. The first audio talks about keeping veterans together, and mentions it being crucial, and a lot about how that wasn't how it was in Vietnam. That's a lot like Odysseus and his men. The veterans were amazed by the betrayal by leaders in the Odyssey books.
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