Monday, September 16, 2019
Short Stories? Patterns? Literary Term Application?
What are your thinking regarding the socratic class discussion that you
experienced with your peers addressing several of the short stories we
have read: Through The Tunnel, The Plainswoman, The Scarlet Ibis?
Are there any thematic or character patterns you noticed? Other
elements of fiction or literary terms that seemed evident such as plot,
tone, mood, point of view, setting, etc... Please respond to this blog
post by 3:40p.m. on Wed., Sep. 18th.
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I liked the discussions we had in class because other people pointed out things that I hadn't noticed in the story. People also persived things differently than I did so it was nce to see there perspectives. In some storys, there were reoccering themes like expectaions and self inprovment. In other storys there was a sad mood through the whole stoy and a very chill but depressing tone.
Regarding the socratic class discussion that I experienced during class, it was extremely interesting to hear how different classmates perceived the three stories. Different outlooks made sense of the situation and allowed me to see the stories from a different point of view. I did notice some patterns in the stories, such as self-improvement throughout challenges. The mood in Through The Tunnel, The Plainswoman, and The Scarlet Ibis were all a bit gruesome and sad toned. Another similarity would be that all the stories involved symbolism, such as the mother's arm, the Scarlet Ibis, etc. Overall, the discussions and observations all were very interesting and educational.
All of the characters in the story they had to grow up. All the characters had to grow up in different ways. In "Through the Tunnel" the narrator had to grow up and train so he didn't die. In "The Plainswomen" she had to grow up and do what she had to do to help the handyman. And in "The Scarlet Ibis" Doodle had to grow up fast because his brother was pushing him to his limits.
Watching the Socratic seminar helped me realize that there was a lot of character development in all the stories. In "Through the Tunnel" the boy went from a small child, progressing throughout the story into more of a man. He pushes himself day in and day out just so he could go through the tunnel. In the "Scarlet Ibis", Brother and Doodle start out as boys near the start of the story. Brother keeps helping Doodle later in life until he can run, walk, and swim. At the end of the story, when Doodle passes, Brother must become more of a man to handle his death.
Regarding the classes discussion, the characters' problems were not the same but they were similar. Each character had to grow up in some form. Different outlooks helped us improve many different elements of the book. For example, a group of people all agreed that we should change the titles to the story. The moods in the stories were also very similar as well as many of the stories involving a gruesome and sad.
All the characters had similar struggles with learning to do something. In Scarlet Ibis he had to learn how to have a crippled brother and not make everything about himself. Through the Tunnel he had to learn how to hold his breath that long and get through the tunnel safely. In the Painsworm he had to get through agreeing not to go to the nurse and just get rid of his hand. The names of the stories were hard to tell what the stories were gonna be about, for example Through the Tunnel no one was expecting it to be underwater. All these stories we can personally relate to because everyone has faced a challenge in their life and everyone in all these stories and to face challenges.
Our class discussion in regards to "Through the Tunnel", "Plainswoman", and "Scarlet Ibis" started out discussing the similarity between the character's growth throughout each story. They all had different experiences that forced them to grow up. Another topic that was put into discussion was "how can we relate to these stories"? In the stories, each story had some sort of moral. In Plainswoman, it was dealing with change. In Scarlet Ibis, it was discrimination. Kate mentioned that you could put any type of minority in doodle's place and the moral would still make sense.
In all of the stories, the characters grow up throughout experiences. In The Scarlet Ibis and Through the Tunnel the characters grew up in one instance, as the consequences of their actions hit them all in a short period of time. On the other hand in Plainswoman the protagonist changes her mindset throughout multiple experiences throughout time. Throughout two of the stories, a bulk of the writing is a flashback in order to give a different perspective to the story. Even with these different perspectives and instances, the lessons are relatable for everyone because everyone has been through something in their life that they have to push through and persevere.
I think the discussion was very useful because it showed how each of the stories all had similarities through their conflicts. The discussion also helped break down characters and gave different peoples perspective and thoughts about the actions they did. I also thought that it was interesting how the authors may have been writing the stories to relate to certain emotions. There were a lot of things to take away from this talk.
In the three texts Through the Tunnel, The Plainswoman, and The Scarlet Ibis they is a kind of surrounding theme of people having to grow up in their stories. In Through the Tunnel he had to grow up and make sure he didn't die and stopped himself for a while. For The Plainswoman she had to grow up and cut his finger off so that his husband didn't die. The Scarlet Ibis the narrator had to grow up and live with how he treated his brother and just know in his mind that what he did was wrong, and that he can do nothing anymore to fix that. Another theme for The Scarlet Ibis is discrimination because he was just born into this place that made his life so much harder for him and he didn't do anything to deserve it, which isn't fair at all but that's sometimes just how life is.
In all of the stories, they face their own challenges and all had to grow up in different ways. Some of the stories titles don't truly get the point across. Each story is trying to get around there message across to certain groups of people. There are many lessons that are learned in each story and helps up look at our own lifes. All of the stories have a deeper meaning, that really makes us think.
In the class discussion I was intriguing to hear everyone else ideas because when people ask me a question i haven't thought into this much thought. People were asking question and answering them in ways I have never thought of.
Many questions raised were the result of the discussion of similarity between the characters. Their answers all revolved around the idea that the characters didn't have a specific end goal, which made their life challenging. Many also agreed on the fact that the characters were venturing into the unknown. The details of each story didn't match up but their end meaning or themes were incredibly similar in the meaning that life isn't predictable in any way, shape, or form.
In the Socratic seminar we had in class we talked about how all of the characters faced similar problems that made them grow up and realize stuff about them selves. They all had challenges weather it was a brother or a task or just self growth all of the characters had some type of development that helped them realize the person that they want to be. WE also talked about what the moral of the stories are and they were pretty similar the Plainswoman and The Scarlett Ibis had the same moral about accepting change and getting through stuff that didn't go as planned while the story through tunnel was more about overcoming challenges and completing self drive.
Throughout the three short story that we read as a class I believe that the main characters faced a common theme of having to grow up. In Through the tunnel Jerry had face to the challenge of growing up and becoming more independent. Most kids have to learn to slowly grow and not depend on the parent. In Plainswoman Nora has to forget what happened in the past and do what needs to be done. Everyone has faced the challenge of of being in an unhappy situation. You can either be mad or learn to embrace it. Finally, in Scarlet Ibis the narrator lives with the regret of over working Doodle. Most people in life have to live a regret and the challenge is weather you will liet it burrden you or not.
Our class discussion was about the stories we have read. I can relate to Through the Tunnel because whenever I am trying to do something weather its a bike trick or a flip off a diving board it's very hard to just quit once you have put a few hours of time into it. The Scarlet Ibis is about discrimination and regret. I believe that the story had a theme of regret, because at first the narrator really wanted a brother to play catch with but then when he got his brother all he wanted was to get rid of him because he was different from what he expected him to be.
All of the stories are similar because the characters have to change in order to keep something. The narrator in "Through the Tunnel" has to grow to face his challenge. Nora in "Plainswoman" had to change to her environment and grow up and get her hands dirty in order to be able to survive and keep her husband. Doodle in "Scarlet IBIS" had to grow physically and change and get stronger in order to live according to his brother's terms. Also, everyone can relate to the stories in one way or another. In "Through the Tunnel" everyone in their life has had to face a challenge. In "plainswomen" everyone has had to adapt to a new environment one way or another. In "Scarlet IBIS" everyone has had a dramatic event in their life that they regret or wish didn't happen.
We all grow up just in different ways, we should have treated him better, grown up better, all of them changed due to the event, best character... , *coughing (Jerry)
After discussing the texts Plainswoman, Through the Tunnel, and The Scarlett Ibis during our class’s Socratic seminar, I realized the character’s all grew and faced character developing challenges. In the text Through the Tunnel, I believe Jerry’s mom was challenged on how to parent Jerry. “She was thinking, Of course he’s old enough to be safe without me. Have I been keeping him too close? He mustn’t feel he ought to be with me. I must be careful.” (Lessing 1) The protagonist of each story grew in different ways. The Plainswoman text explored Nora’s character development and growth. In the beginning of the story, Nora felt helpless and unable to face problems. Her character developed from shyly running away from her problems to fulfilling other’s wishes and becoming empowered. “She ran senselessly, as if she were attempting to run long, far, back to New England. The best she could do was run through the rooms of the haphazardly laid-out house and get to her room and close the door and lean against it.” (Lessing 3) The story Through the Tunnel encapsulated a young boy’s mission for self success. Jerry, the protagonist, developed from shyly fearing to put himself first before others to achieving a life-threatening goal. Jerry also learned to be patient to achieve his goal, which helped him grow as a person. After examining The Scarlett Ibis text, I realized how important the narrator’s growth was. After sickly Doodle had fought his last challenge yearning for his brother's help, he lost his life. This caused the narrator to grow within milliseconds. The narrator realized his unreal expectations for his brother’s improvement wouldn’t have ever helped him. His advancements to make Doodle more advanced than he could be killed the child. The narrator grew once the consequences of his actions became prevalent. Each narrator from each text faced challenges that caused each protagonist to grow, develop, and overcome challenges.
Being part of this discussion was very interesting. We talked a lot about how the characters were very different yet all had to develop and face multiple challenges. I also thought it was fascinating to hear everyone's point of view on each of the stories. We also discussed how the themes in the stories were different. For example, in the story Through the Tunnel the main character is trying to achieve a swimming goal while in The Plainswoman, the main character has to deal with more pressing matters.
In the stories, Though the Tunnel, The Plainswoman, and The Scarlet Ibis the Characters have expectations to reach. In Though the Tunnel the character make him self train to meet the expectation of going through the tunnel. In the Plainswoman she is expected to be the nurse in the house and cut the finger off. Then Doodle in The Scarlet Ibis had to reach his brothers expectations.
I noticed that each narrator had to grow and mature in their own ways. For example, in “Plainswoman,” Nora eventually came to terms with the fact that she had to deal with her own problems, as Rolf wouldn’t always be there to save her. In “Through The Tunnel,” Jeremy ends up realizing that the other boys don’t want to associate with him so he proves it to himself that he can swim through the tunnel. Although this was dangerous, Jerry completes the task and then he feels fulfilled. In “The Scarlet Ibis,” the narrator has to deal with the fact that Doodle died and he never really expressed his affection for his little brother, who had at this point passed away from an illness.
In all the stories the Thought the Tunnel, The Plainswoman, and The Scarlet Ibis the characters had expectations put on them. In though the tunnel the character put an expectation on him self to get though the tunnel and the same for the rest.
Through all of the short stories read in class, every character was given the chance to change and grow up, either on their own or by force or nature. In Through The Tunnel, Jerry forces himself to learn almost adult patience and he learns how to survive. In The Plainswoman, the narrator is forced to learn how to be happy in possibly non idealistic circumstances, and in The Scarlet Ibis, the narrator is forced to learn and grow after he realizes that people are different and not everyone was built for what he is built for in life. At some point in all the stories, there seemed to be a point of doubt and hurt for all the main characters, and they are all able to grow and learn from this experience.
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